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[含原文] 音响界的十大谎言! The Ten Biggest Lies in AUDIO!

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-7 21:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 黄杲树 于 2010-8-7 09:38 发表
顶一把! 发烧要理性.
要分辩这些谎言,也要知识和逻缉........不然商家骗你没商量




        顺便请教一下,  "杲"  怎么念?
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发表于 2010-8-7 22:02:36 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 chenxiliang110 于 2010-8-7 09:05 发表
新世纪的十大谎言必然有开关电源和工频变压器之争

是啊,我最讨厌开关电源了。
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发表于 2010-8-8 17:01:01 | 显示全部楼层

我经过试验,孖线分音是有效果的

我曾经做过试验,孖线分音是有改善音质的效果的,我用的是MOSFEE矿音机。很多年前就试过了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-9 00:44:24 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 maomao332 于 2010-8-8 17:01 发表
我曾经做过试验,孖线分音是有改善音质的效果的,我用的是MOSFEE矿音机。很多年前就试过了。




               您当时确定功放没有自激么?
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发表于 2010-8-9 20:11:33 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 3141 于 2010-8-7 22:02 发表

是啊,我最讨厌开关电源了。

开关电源好,省人民纸不说还澎湃。最重要的是用了开关电源可以在车里玩胆机。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-10 01:12:44 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 夏某 于 2010-8-9 20:11 发表

开关电源好,省人民纸不说还澎湃。最重要的是用了开关电源可以在车里玩胆机。



D 类功放不就是变相的开关电源嘛,  哈哈
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发表于 2010-8-10 08:46:01 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 3141 于 2010-8-7 22:02 发表

是啊,我最讨厌开关电源了。

为什么啊?开关电源也有长处:比如低碳,体积,更何况声音也有特点,试试看说不定你会喜欢
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发表于 2010-8-10 09:09:15 | 显示全部楼层
用什么电源无所谓,关键是输出的电源质量。假如都输出了纯净的直流那还有什么不同呢?有人说开关电源有干扰声,那只能说是所用的那个开关电源不合适这里用的这个场合。就好象我改用一个嗡嗡响的变压器和一对失效的电解给电路供电一样。
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发表于 2010-8-10 09:18:49 | 显示全部楼层
开关电源中还有一些很有前途的拓扑,比如SEPIC,CUK,理论上它们可以做到输入输出零纹波。现在现实中的输出纹波也做得很小,只是受到元件的限制现在只能做中小功率(百瓦以内)的低压母线的直流变换器。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-11 02:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 e3po 于 2015-3-25 01:57 编辑

CES 2008 盲听测试

华尔街日报的报告:
  
  假设你必须在两套喇叭线中选择其一,一套花费不高,音质不错,另一套售价数千美元,而音质或许仅仅是略胜一筹,如果你选择了后者,那么,上个礼拜你会在拉斯维加斯度过一段好时光。
  
  赌城眼下正上演的众多活动中包括家庭娱乐器材展(The Home Entertainment Show),这个音响发烧友展览会的举办地位于拉斯维加斯大道边的两家小型汽车旅馆内。所谓音响发烧友,或许正如你所知,是那些对花上5万美金买台唱机看得很平常的高保真音响爱好者。这些年我算是弄明白了,音响发烧友实际上分两类:一类是彻头彻尾的神经病;另一类纯粹是疯子。
  
  后者有几分幽默感,这些人无奈地表示,高保真音响只是他们这类人的诸多特有爱好之一,谁让他们手头阔绰、想像力丰富、有能力区别常人难以分辨的不同之处呢?而我则想搞清楚成见能在多大程度上影响人们的判断。科学家经研究发现,对饮酒者的大脑扫描显示,如果他们认为所饮的酒价格昂贵,那么从生理上会更加享受饮酒的乐趣。音响发烧友真的能不受设备品牌和价格的影响,听出来他们所称的区别吗?
  
  为了找出答案,《科技大观》专栏成为上周展览会上的正式展商。我在展厅里安装了两套音响系统,它们除了一个组件以外一模一样。除音箱以外的所有部件都被隐藏起来(感谢Totem Acoustics出借Forest音箱,以及Magnum Dynalab的MD-308音箱,它们的效果都十分震撼。)
  
  两套音响播放着同样的音乐,参与者用遥控器在两者之间转换,然后告诉我哪一套音响效果更好。
  
  测试之一比较的是来自iPod的高品质MP3文件与一台3,000美元播放器上播出的CD。在接受测试的24人中,四分之三更青睐CD的音质。
  
  这并不奇怪。不过,当我用iPod播放.wav 文件──未经压缩的数字文件;将耳机插孔连接到扩音器上──在接受测试的21个人中有52%更喜欢iPod的表现.
  
  
  这令我会心一笑,不仅是因为“势利”的发烧友们得出了错误答案,而且还因为这意味着美妙的声音可能来自一个普通廉价的设备。
  
  我还测试了音响线,这玩艺即便是在发烧友中间也存在争议。有些人肯为音响线花费上万美元,而有些人认为这纯粹是浪费钱财。
  
  我利用两个完全相同的CD播放器测试了价值2,000美元的8英尺魔声(Monster Cable)旗舰音响线,它足有拇指般粗细,与之相对的是14号五金店音响线。许多发烧友表示两者同样出色。我听不出两者有什么区别,也有点儿怀疑是否有人做得到。不过在39个测试者中间,61%的人表示,价格昂贵的音响线音质效果更好。
  
  这种区别或许难以和两者天壤之别的价格划上等号,不过我对于展览会上最懂行的人物──比如约翰 阿特金森(John Atkinson)和《音响专家》(Stereophile Magazine)的迈克尔 弗雷默(Michael Fremer)──轻而易举地选出了价格昂贵的音响线很是惊奇。
  
  其传导出的声音被描述为“更圆润”、“更清脆”、“更紧密”,这就像是红酒,自己想像吧。
  
  不过以绝对标准衡量,两者的差异并不那么明显。阿特金森推测,高价音响线的音质大约只高出了5%。但请记住,音响发烧友们愿意为音质的哪怕一点点提高承担任何负担、付出任何代价。
  
  展览的到场人数令人失望,因此我并没有得到我所需要的测试参与人数。不过即便有了足够的参与者,我也不能确定自己是否能得出任何结论。这种非A即B的测试本身就有局限性,两者的区别原本不大,可是越听就会越觉得不同。
  
  怀疑论者或许会认为,我对这些发烧友们过于迁就和轻信了。
  
  并非如此。
  想想发烧友们青睐的电力线路调节器,据说它能减少电力供应引发的噪音和失真,这类问题你或许根本不会注意到。Audience LLC的一个代表接受了我的测试邀请,对该公司2,800美元的AdeptResponse aR6调节器进行测试。
  
  他三次中有两次选出了本公司生产的调节器。
  
  请注意,前面所提那些“纯粹疯狂”的音响发烧友表示,尽管他们的室内音响设备花费超过六位数字,我们其他人可以在销售不知名品牌的专业音像商店花上1,000美元就得到很不错的音效。
  
  对于选择品牌,我帮不上什么忙,不过我的测试显示.wav文件更胜一筹。尽管这类文件比MP3占据更大的空间,但光碟价格的日益走低令大规模收藏变得可行。
  
  对于音响线来说,上乘产品的售价也有可能远低于2,000美元。我依然满足于在五金店购物,不过你或许有两只能明察秋毫的“金耳朵”。就像《警探哈里》(Dirty Harry)中的台词,你必须问自己,“我觉得幸运吗?”
  
  那么,你幸运吗?
  
  Lee Gomes
  
  (编者按:本文作者Lee Gomes是《华尔街日报》专栏“Portals”的专栏作家,栏目内容以科技、商业及相关的主题为主。)



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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-11 02:54:53 | 显示全部楼层
PORTALS JANUARY 16, 2008

If You're Not Insane About Sound, Maybe You Can Just Go Crazy
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http://online.wsj.com/article/NA ... 027492991.html.html


If you had to choose between two sets of speaker cables, one costing a few dollars and sounding fine, the other a few thousand dollars but perhaps sounding slightly better, and you chose the second pair, then you would have had a great time last week in Las Vegas.

The city's many goings-on included The Home Entertainment Show, an audiophile trade show held in two small motels off the Strip. Audiophiles, as you probably know, are the hi-fi zealots who think nothing of spending $50,000 on a turntable. I've learned over the years that audiophiles actually come in two varieties: the totally insane and the merely crazy.

The latter have a sense of humor and shrug that theirs is just one of many hobbies -- like wine -- for people with money, expansive vocabularies and the ability to discern differences lost on the rest of us.

By contrast, my interests involve the extent to which beliefs influence perceptions. Scientists have discovered that brain scans of wine drinkers show they physically enjoy a wine more if they think it is expensive. Can audiophiles really hear all the differences they say they can, without being influenced by the brand or price of their equipment?

To find out, Portals became an official exhibitor at T.H.E. Show last week. I set up a room with two sound systems, identical except for one component. Everything except the speakers was hidden behind screens. (A shout-out to Totem Acoustics for the Forest speakers loan and to Magnum Dynalab for the MD-308 amps. They all sounded sensational.)

With the same music playing on both, participants used a remote control to switch between the two, and then tell me which sounded better.

One of the tests compared a high-quality MP3 file from an iPod with a CD on a $3,000 player. Three-quarters of the 24 people taking this test preferred the CD.

That was no surprise. However, when I played .wav files on the iPod -- these are digital but uncompressed files; I was connecting the headphone jack to the amplifier -- 52% of the 21 who took this test preferred the iPod.

That made me smile, not because snooty audiophiles got the "wrong" answer, but because it suggests great sound can come from popular, cheap gear.

I also tested speaker cables, which are controversial even among audiophiles. Some spend tens of thousands of dollars on cabling, while others consider it an absurd waste of money.

Using two identical CD players, I tested a $2,000, eight-foot pair of Sigma Retro Gold cables from Monster Cable, which are as thick as your thumb, against 14-gauge, hardware-store speaker cable. Many audiophiles say they are equally good. I couldn't hear a difference and was a wee bit suspicious that anyone else could. But of the 39 people who took this test, 61% said they preferred the expensive cable.

That may not be much of a margin for two products with such drastically different prices, but I was struck by how the best-informed people at the show -- like John Atkinson and Michael Fremer of Stereophile Magazine -- easily picked the expensive cable.

Its sound was described as "richer," "crisper" and "more coherent." Like some wines, come to think of it.

In absolute terms, though, the differences weren't great. Mr. Atkinson guesstimated the expensive cables sounded roughly 5% better. Remember, by definition, an audiophile is one who will bear any burden, pay any price, to get even a tiny improvement in sound.

Attendance at the show was disappointing, so I didn't get the numbers of participants I wanted. Even if I had, I'm not sure I would have settled anything. These "A-B" tests have limits, including the fact that differences you might not pick up right away can become more apparent with extended listening.

Skeptics out there might think I've gone all mushy and credulous on them.

Not so.

Consider the thriving audiophile product category of power-line conditioners, said to remove noise and distortions caused by your electrical supply, a problem you may not realize you have. A rep from Audience LLC accepted my invitation for an A-B test of the company's $2,800 AdeptResponse aR6 conditioner.

He picked the system using his conditioner -- the other was plugged into the wall -- two out of three times.

Note that the aforementioned "merely crazy" audiophiles say that while they might have home setups costing six figures, the rest of us can get splendid sound for under $1,000 by shopping at specialty audio shops, the sort that sell unfamiliar brands.

I can't help you with brands, but my tests suggest you might want to do your ripping as .wav files. While they take up a lot more room than MP3s, falling disk prices make this feasible even for big collections.

As for cables, good ones can cost well under $2,000. I'd still be happy at the hardware store, but you may be the golden-ear sort who can hear a difference. As in "Dirty Harry," you've got to ask yourself, "Do I feel lucky?"

Well, do you?

Write to Lee Gomes at lee.gomes@wsj.com

Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page B1
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-11 11:01:32 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 huayong 于 2010-8-11 09:37 发表
  我利用两个完全相同的CD播放器测试了价值2,000美元的8英尺魔声(Monster Cable)旗舰音响线,它足有拇指般粗细,与之相对的是14号五金店音响线。许多发烧友表示两者同样出色。我听不出两者有什么区别,也有点儿怀疑 ...



By contrast, my interests involve the extent to which beliefs influence perceptions. Scientists have discovered that brain scans of wine drinkers show they physically enjoy a wine more if they think it is expensive. Can audiophiles really hear all the differences they say they can, without being influenced by the brand or price of their equipment?


科学家经研究发现,对饮酒者的大脑扫描显示,如果他们认为所饮的酒价格昂贵,那么从生理上会更加享受饮酒的乐趣。音响发烧友真的能不受设备品牌和价格的影响,听出来他们所称的区别吗?
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发表于 2010-8-12 13:49:31 | 显示全部楼层
很有参考意义,每隔一段时间发些这类文章可保矿坛不变味。
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