实机比较国产6P6P与进口6V6GT的差别
单独的管子去比较,其意义并不大,要想真正的比较管子间的差异,还是在做好的机器上测试吧。首先,要打造一个测试平台,当然,测试平台首先要有一个极好的性能。
那就做一个平台,用于测试这些管子。
先看看这些参评的管子
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/tube/01.jpg
补充内容 (2014-10-7 16:57):
实验表明国产曙光6P6P曲线远优于进口管。 老驾新编 发表于 2014-10-9 02:02 static/image/common/back.gif
没有这么大的差异。相对于这些管子间的差异,人耳分辨能力就太差了。仪器的数据可以辅助人耳甄别。比如, ...
已经有人说过一遍:音响是用来听的,不是用来看的。
如果听不出区别,测试那些指标的细微区别还有什么意义?
再说,随便搞台晶体管功放,指标和曲线都比胆机好看,但并不代表好听。
无论国产还是进口,能感觉到好听的管子,才是好管子。
根据本人不全面的实际经验,名牌进口管,还是比国产管的声音好。 用耳朵收货极不负责任的行为,老俗语说的好-----------眼见为实!你懂得..................... 我想用曙光6P6P一对一换楼主的这些洋管。
我愿意牺牲自己,听这些烂管的声音。把最美好的曙光6P6P的声音,留给楼主。
楼主不要推辞,我就是这么舍己为人。我的短信可以随时联系。 szlz61 发表于 2014-10-10 21:07 static/image/common/back.gif
已经有人说过一遍:音响是用来听的,不是用来看的。
如果听不出区别,测试那些指标的细微区别还有什么意 ...
听觉记忆非常短暂,能靠听觉分辨出来,那真是个本事。
听觉记忆难以量化,容易被蒙蔽和忽悠,还是量化直观。:handshake 几个月前在海鲜市场购买了4个曙光70年代胶木座全新6p6p用在推挽电路上有3支管静态电流基本一致只有一支电流稍微偏大一点固定偏压电位器微调就可以了说明这个年代的管子一致性非常不错。 shiuyipyuen 发表于 2014-10-7 13:29 static/image/common/back.gif
很专业的仪器.很小心的作风
但既然是测管子.而且是连续波.不是单个波.不拆除负反馈电路.就把各管的差异全给 ...
非常赞同!
在我本人的6P6P单端上试过不少6V6管子,也包括用转换座试过不少品牌的6AQ5,没有听出多大区别.当然不能排除我耳朵木的因素! shiuyipyuen 发表于 2014-10-7 13:29 static/image/common/back.gif
很专业的仪器.很小心的作风
但既然是测管子.而且是连续波.不是单个波.不拆除负反馈电路.就把各管的差异全给 ...
说到点子上了,一个负反馈,所有特点都掩盖了。 看来曙光的6V6P价值被低估了。快买吧,大量囤积吧,一旦涨价,你就赚了呀! 是不是国产6P6P要提价的前奏?? 楼主的试验很有意义,值得一赞!提两点看法,每种管只有一二个,测试结果偶然性较大;曙光管不能代表国产管。 为这个测试,专门打造的平台。
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/1.jpg 平台采用6C3(EC86)作为前级,输出变压器参数如下:
电感量 1、36 2、35.9
漏感 1、11.5 2、11.6
振铃 1、130k 2、130k
-1db 1、62k 2、62k
-1db(62k)到振铃频率(130k)之间最低点不到-1.5db,也就是说与振铃频率衔接良好。
76*28的二手Z11硅钢片
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/2.jpg 本帖最后由 老驾新编 于 2014-10-7 06:38 编辑
电路也是与烧友们一起精心设计的力争与RCA6V6GT的说明书一致。以期获得准确的测试结果。
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/p1.jpg 做好的机器图片
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http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/8.jpg 工作点负载线选择在5k
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/6v6.jpg
本帖最后由 老驾新编 于 2014-10-7 06:10 编辑
外形比较
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本帖最后由 老驾新编 于 2014-10-7 06:19 编辑
增益比较
1khz正弦波输入各管输出幅度均有差异,当然,不排除旧管的差异。
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/cbs/b.jpg
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http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/slypt/b.jpg
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/sylzz/b.jpg 频响比较
扫频仪对数输出结果。
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/cbs/j.jpg
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http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/slypt/j.jpg
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/sylzz/j.jpg 单管测试结果
http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/cbs/a.jpg
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这几种6V6没有我喜欢的,至于波形我不感兴趣。 http://classmate.glmed.com/kt/6p6p/test2/gefe/a.jpg
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